Initial PR for Direct limit of finite-dimensional Euclidean spaces#1767
Initial PR for Direct limit of finite-dimensional Euclidean spaces#1767GeoffreySangston wants to merge 12 commits intomainfrom
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I forgot to sync before pulling. I'll fix tomorrow. Edit: I did below. I don't know if this can be done via the github vscode online editor, so I cloned the repo finally and used the terminal, which is much more familiar to me. |
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Please merge main first, maybe |
Co-authored-by: yhx-12243 <yhx12243@gmail.com>
Co-authored-by: yhx-12243 <yhx12243@gmail.com>
Co-authored-by: yhx-12243 <yhx12243@gmail.com>
Co-authored-by: yhx-12243 <yhx12243@gmail.com>
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@yhx-12243 Thanks for catching those. I forgot to double check on the actual website (just looked good in the github vscode editor preview feature). |
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Started with the README file. Looks very good, lots of good information. Some minor comments below. |
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We could also mention that |
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@prabau I was wondering how to treat quasi-component part. That is included in We could also just change the following sentence to:
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I was also thinking about how to fold the final topology part into the open sets condition, and I think that was a good change. |
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Will think some more about the quasi-component thing. In the meantime, some comment about direct limits. A direct limit is unique up to unique isomorphism as they are characterized by some universal property. So there are multiple ways to "define" a direct limit, but they are all equivalent in some strong sense. Furthermore, as mentioned in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_topology: Also, in the category Set, if we have a increasing sequence of sets: All this to say that we should not emphasize the particular description of the direct limit as a quotient of a direct sum. I suggest to drastically simplify the second paragraph as suggested below. |
Co-authored-by: Patrick Rabau <70125716+prabau@users.noreply.github.com>
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For the paragraph about the box product, it would be convenient to modify the name of S107 (countable box product of reals) by incorporating a notation for the space. Then we could slightly simplify things by referring to that notation. The notation is not standardized, but here are some taken from mathse and mo: Not sure between (1) and (2). What do you think? |
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Re: #1767 (comment) I agree that we don't need to mention quasi-components. We can mention that |
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P240 (CW complex): the proposed CW structure does not seem to be one. Is there is a precise reference one could cite? |
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@prabau Oh wow you're right. That's just terrible. Turned my brain off for that one. I'll have to look around today.
I believe I looked through all of the references I mentioned in the old thread and most or all of the other references mentioned and didn't find it. |
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A CW decomposition for S106 is 𝑋ₙ = {(𝑥₁, 𝑥₂, …, 𝑥ₘ, 0, …) | all coordinates are integers except for at most 𝑛 coordinates}. |
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@yhx-12243 What about the n-cells? (It's loosely described in the post I linked.) I think a formal way to do it is to give the CW structure on (Edit: Actually Fritsch–Piccinini might be better for the product part. See #1767 (comment).) |
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Okay after looking pretty hard, I haven't found a perfect reference which spells it all out in one place. Unless someone is eager to write the corrected version, I will do it today using the argument I give above. Today is somewhat busy but I should have time at night to do it. I could also write it as an answer to that old MSE thread if that's better. |
In fact it's easy to imagine (the mesh), but tedious to write down explicitly. |
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@yhx-12243 Oh I misread your comment. I thought you were just saying take all coordinates integers. I think that's a good way to do it. Does our definition or Hatcher Proposition A.2 conveniently verify that though? |
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Another thought. I think explicitly writing the CW structure on the n-torus might be easier, and then pull that back to |
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The description in terms of integers is a good one. Given an element A chararacteristic map is easy to describe if we identify the closed Will take a look at the refs you mention. |
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Yea I agree formalizing @yhx-12243's solution is the right way to go. |
In order of personal preference: (1) = (3) > (4) >> (2). @Moniker1998 probably has a preference/good idea on this since they've been doing a lot of box product stuff. |
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I was also thinking of asking @Moniker1998. In the mean time, we can go with (1), and change later if necessary. |
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For the CW complex mathse post, I think it would be preferable to have different people doing the asking and doing the answering. That will elicit more responses. Want me to ask the question? |
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There is already a (different) post that asks this exact question: https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/2429396 ("Is And since the question is very brief and the poster has been gone for many years, it should be fine to expand the question to clarify what the space is. I can do that part if I get to it before you. (have to be out for a few hours) |
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@prabau @GeoffreySangston no particular preference |
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@GeoffreySangston I have added details to the question https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/2429396. And just noticed: the definition we have here uses superscripts |
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@prabau Sorry I got pretty lazy tonight and didn't work on this. Hopefully tomorrow will be better. I did the superscripts probably without thinking about it. We can switch to subscripts if it's more conventional for pi-base. |
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Take all the time you want. Nothing urgent here. |
| Equivalently, $\mathbb{R}^\infty \subset \mathbb{R}^\omega$ has the subspace topology, where | ||
| $\mathbb{R}^\omega$ is given the box topology; this is shown in {{mathse:3961052}}. Moreover, | ||
| it is shown in {{mathse:5012784}} that $\mathbb{R}^\infty$ is a quasi-component of the origin in | ||
| $\mathbb{R}^\omega$. Hence $\mathbb{R}^\infty$ embeds into {S107} | ||
| as a path component. |
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| Equivalently, $\mathbb{R}^\infty \subset \mathbb{R}^\omega$ has the subspace topology, where | |
| $\mathbb{R}^\omega$ is given the box topology; this is shown in {{mathse:3961052}}. Moreover, | |
| it is shown in {{mathse:5012784}} that $\mathbb{R}^\infty$ is a quasi-component of the origin in | |
| $\mathbb{R}^\omega$. Hence $\mathbb{R}^\infty$ embeds into {S107} | |
| as a path component. | |
| Equivalently, $\mathbb{R}^\infty \subset \mathbb{R}^\omega$ has the subspace topology | |
| when $\mathbb R^\omega$ is given the box topology; | |
| that is, $\mathbb R^\infty$ is a subspace of {S107} (see {{mathse:3961052}}). | |
| Moreover, $\mathbb R^\infty$ is a connected component and a path component of $\square^\omega\mathbb R$ | |
| (see {{mathse:5012784}}). |
After all, it didn't seem necessary to mention that
#1738
(1) It might be better to erase the argument for real TVS and find a reference. Currently I reference the "universal property of the final topology", which fits the normal pattern of universal properties, but maybe "characteristic property of the final topology" or some other name is more conventional. The property is stated on Wikipedia, so maybe that could be worth linking to.
(2) Note that$X$ is the countable coproduct over $\mathbb{R}$ as real topological vector spaces. I did not emphasize that in the property file though I mentioned it in the issue page. It might be a good idea to do so.
(3) I didn't want to overload on properties but these are two of the big ones.